1 2 3 KERRVILLE-KERR COUNTY JOINT AIRPORT BOARD 4 Regular Meeting 5 Monday, May 18, 2015 6 8:30 a.m. 7 Airport Terminal Conference Room 8 1877 Airport Loop Road 9 Kerrville, Texas 10 11 MEMBERS PRESENT: MEMBERS ABSENT: 12 Stephen King, President Corey Walters, Vice-President 13 Ed Livermore Bill Wood 14 Kirk Griffin 15 AIRPORT BOARD STAFF PRESENT: 16 Bruce McKenzie, Airport Manager Carole Dungan, Executive Assistant 17 18 COUNTY STAFF PRESENT: Tom Moser, Commissioner Pct. 2 19 Jonathan Letz, Commissioner Pct. 3 Brenda Doss, Auditor 20 James Robles, Assistant Auditor 21 CITY STAFF PRESENT: 22 Jack Pratt, Mayor Sandra Yarbrough, Finance Director 23 24 VISITORS: Patrick O'Fiel, Airport attorney 25 Tom Bowen, Mooney Aviation Company Trey Hughes, MAPA Fly-in 2 1 I N D E X May 18, 2015 2 PAGE 3 CALLED TO ORDER 4 1. VISITORS FORUM 3 5 2. KERRVILLE-KERR COUNTY JOINT AIRPORT BOARD 6 MEMBER FORUM 3 7 3. CONSENT AGENDA 3A Approval of April 20, 2015 board meeting minutes 8 8 4. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION 9 4A Monthly financials 8 10 4B Possible lease of Paint Hangar (Executive Session) 12 11 4C Airport Conumer Price Index (Executive Session) -- 12 4D Airport impromevents 14 13 4E Mooney parking lot and pavement repairs 25 14 5. INFORMATION AND DISCUSSION: 5A General Update 45 15 6. EXECUTIVE SESSION -- 16 7. ADJOURNMENT 50 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 On Monday, May 18, 2015, at 8:30 a.m., a regular 2 meeting of the Kerrville-Kerr County Joint Airport Board was 3 held in the Airport Terminal Conference Room, Louis Schreiner 4 Field, Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were 5 had in open session: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 MR. KING: All right, I'll call this meeting to 8 order of the Kerrville/Kerr County Joint Airport Board, 9 May 18th. Visitors' forum. Any item -- at this time, any 10 person with business not scheduled on the agenda may speak 11 with the Airport Board. No deliberation or action may be 12 taken on these items because the Open Meetings Act requires 13 items to be posted for 72 hours before the meeting. Visitors 14 are asked to limit their presentations to three minutes. 15 Anybody? (No response.) Item 2, Kerrville/Kerr County Joint 16 Airport Board Member Forum. At this time, any member of the 17 Airport Board may speak to the board or the public present. 18 No deliberation or action may be taken because the Open 19 Meetings Act requires it to be posted for 72 hours. Anybody? 20 MR. WOOD: I just would like to ask a question real 21 quick. Have they started on the roof over there? 22 MR. McKENZIE: They began their mobilization last 23 week, and with the torrential rains, they had to cease moving 24 in, it rained so much. So the answer is no. They were 25 scheduled to start this weekend. They were going to start on 4 1 Saturday. 2 MR. WOOD: So the roof leaking delayed the roofer. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: There's Tom right there. 4 MR. BOWEN: There's four semis over there right now 5 unloading materials. 6 MR. McKENZIE: They're ready to go. 7 MR. BOWEN: With big forklifts. There's probably a 8 dozen people from Cram Roofing. 9 MR. McKENZIE: Outstanding. 10 MR. LIVERMORE: Tom, what kind of problems did you 11 have last week? 12 MR. BOWEN: The Hammer House was shut down for two 13 days because of the electrocution issue -- well, potential 14 electrocution issue, so we lost probably a good day and a 15 half of production. Otherwise, you know, we're learning to 16 kind of swim around. (Laughter.) 17 MR. WOOD: This makes it -- proves that we're doing 18 the right thing by fixing the roof. 19 MR. BOWEN: Oh, absolutely. You can't believe the 20 morale boost of the employees just seeing the trucks arrive. 21 It's huge. 22 MR. McKENZIE: That's good. 23 MR. LIVERMORE: I have an item. 24 MR. KING: Yeah, go ahead. 25 MR. LIVERMORE: I want to -- this is a little bit 5 1 of a sweet-and-sour comment. I want to compliment Bruce and 2 staff for the wonderful mowing job that they've done, which 3 is wall-to-wall, even back that way off of the road, the back 4 road coming in. But what we did in the process was destroy 5 all of the wildflowers that are growing in one of the best 6 years ever. And I've actually had people mention this to me, 7 that, you know, we even mowed the right-of-way. And I wonder 8 if we ought to re -- I understand there's a safety issue, and 9 possibly we can cut back smooth -- low, 50 feet from the 10 runway and taxiways. But I'd like to see those wildflowers 11 have their opportunity in the sun. And I don't mean this as 12 a criticism. I just -- because of the mowing, I understand 13 why you're doing it, but I just wonder if we ought to maybe 14 think back through that again and -- and take advantage of 15 what nature has given us. No action can be taken, I 16 understand that, today. But it's -- 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I've heard from a lot of 18 people that go back and forth down the road, too, expressing 19 -- expressing the same things. So -- but safety trumps 20 everything. 21 MR. LIVERMORE: Safety trumps everything; it really 22 does. But if we -- you know, we have -- what is it, 23 Mr. Chairman, six mowings a year in our budget? Roughly 24 6,000 a mowing? 25 MR. KING: Seven. 6 1 MR. LIVERMORE: Something like that. 2 MR. McKENZIE: 7,500. 3 MR. LIVERMORE: 7,500. If we can maybe have 4 avoided one mowing, we'd save 7,500 bucks and maybe have some 5 wildflowers. That's just -- and, please, it's not meant as a 6 criticism. It's just -- this is my thought process on it. 7 MR. KING: You're not the first one to talk about 8 this, so don't worry. Okay. 9 MR. LIVERMORE: The mowing job that was done was 10 done very well. (Laughter.) 11 MR. WOOD: Got them all, huh? 12 MR. LIVERMORE: Got them all. 13 MR. KING: Quite efficient. Anybody else? 14 MR. GRIFFIN: Just real quick, we did get our 15 budget through. I want to say thanks to everybody involved 16 in the budget last week. It had to be -- just a general 17 observation; it had to be one of the quickest briefings to 18 the entities I've seen our budget happen through those two 19 groups in about 13 years, so it -- to you guys, kudos, and to 20 Carole and Bruce as well, 'cause it wouldn't have happened if 21 we hadn't done our legwork, so thanks. It was good work. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The thing that was most 23 time-consuming was the accolades -- accolades to the board. 24 MR. GRIFFIN: If Buster would have been quiet, we 25 would have been out a lot earlier. Just kidding. 7 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, the accolades for a job 2 well done. 3 MR. GRIFFIN: No, they were good. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Everybody had positive things 5 to say. 6 MR. GRIFFIN: Thank you. I'm making light of it. 7 MR. WOOD: Thank you, Commissioners. 8 MR. GRIFFIN: And the City as well. 9 MR. LIVERMORE: We had -- Bill and I had an 10 interesting -- we told Tom about this yesterday at church. 11 We were having lunch -- I don't know, two or three weeks ago, 12 and the judge just happened to be in the room having lunch 13 with some other folks. He came over and sat down with us, 14 and we had about a 15-minute talk about the airport, and he 15 -- he was very, very happy, very complimentary, and said he'd 16 love to have those kind of lunches with individual board 17 members or two at a time more often. So -- 18 MR. KING: That's very good. 19 MR. LIVERMORE: Yeah. So, he's focused in on it. 20 MR. KING: Item 3, consent agenda. All items 21 listed below on the consent agenda are considered routine by 22 the board and will be enacted in one motion. There will not 23 be a separate discussion on items unless a board member or 24 citizen so requests, and in the event -- in which event each 25 item will be move removed from the order of business and 8 1 considered in normal sequence. Approval of the minutes for 2 April 20th, 2015. 3 MR. LIVERMORE: So moved. 4 MR. KING: Motion to approve by Mr. Livermore. 5 Seconded by? 6 MR. WOOD: I second. 7 MR. KING: Mr. Wood. Any discussion on those 8 minutes? All in favor? 9 (The motion carried by a vote of 4-0.) 10 MR. WALTERS: I abstain, 'cause I wasn't here. 11 MR. KING: 4-0, and one abstain. Item 4, 12 discussion/possible action. Monthly financials, April. 13 James? Any significant difference in the financials that we 14 need to know about? 15 MR. ROBLES: Not unless y'all have any questions. 16 MR. KING: Any questions on the financials? 17 MR. LIVERMORE: I have a question. 18 MR. KING: Go ahead. 19 MR. LIVERMORE: I notice that our interest payments 20 are something in the range of $79 or something. It's a small 21 amount of money. And I understand -- I'm well enough aware 22 of the financial markets to know what's going on, but that 23 equates to something less than 10 basis points on the amount 24 of money that we have deposited. And -- and I'm aware that 25 Centennial Bank here in town pays 30 basis points on money 9 1 market, so I'm just wondering if -- if that needs to be 2 looked into. It's not a lot of money, but it could be -- 3 what is it? Seems like it was -- we received $179 or 4 something this year, and -- 5 MR. KING: Where do we have that money? 6 MR. ROBLES: It's on Page 3. 7 MR. KING: Where is it? Where's that money held? 8 Is that the capital -- 9 MR. LIVERMORE: The county money. 10 MR. KING: The County holds that money, don't they? 11 MR. LIVERMORE: They -- 12 MR. ROBLES: They put it in pooled cash. They 13 subtract out 3,000, whatever your fund balance is, and they 14 pool the cash and put it into -- I believe it's called the 15 Treasurer's sweeping -- yeah. I couldn't get much 16 information; the Treasurer wasn't there this morning to talk 17 to. 18 MR. KING: Okay. 19 MR. ROBLES: But I know they have a spreadsheet on 20 it. 21 MR. LIVERMORE: Our interest income is $79, but if 22 it was -- you know, just a few hundred dollars, but we're out 23 here looking for sources of money, and I know that Centennial 24 is 30 basis points, and that would be at least three times 25 what -- three or more times what we are doing right now. No 10 1 criticism to the County. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, I was going to get -- the 3 Auditor may have a better answer. Government funds have to 4 have pledged assets, so that may -- it's probably not the 5 same as private, because every -- dollar for dollar, it has 6 to -- they have to pledge cash almost to our deposits. 7 MS. DOSS: That's correct. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So it's not like you getting 9 a -- getting a C.D., because they've got to -- you know, if 10 we get a $100 C.D., they got to put $100 cash up for it, or 11 -- and that's, as I recall, how it works for us. So, our -- 12 the risk is a lot less, but so is the income. 13 MR. LIVERMORE: Mm-hmm. 14 MR. GRIFFIN: Okay. 15 MR. ROBLES: They're required by the Public Funds 16 Investment Act to do safety first, and liquidity and then 17 yield is the last thing to think about. It's more safe than 18 anything, so they may not be the most lucrative investments. 19 But safety and liquidity first. 20 MR. LIVERMORE: Safety is the issue. Well, I 21 appreciate -- appreciate knowing that, thank you. 22 MR. WOOD: I'd like to point something out. Page 23 3, looking at our revenue. The -- from the City and County, 24 our revenue's down from about 100,000 to 60,000, and our 25 revenue that we generated here on the airport is up, from 11 1 about 125,000 to 190,000. So, it's working. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That was talked ad nauseum at 3 the budget presentation, too, which was -- in a very positive 4 sense. 5 MR. WOOD: Thank you, Tom. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: On the way to zero. 7 MR. KING: Anybody else on the financials? 8 Anything else they'd like to comment on? 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Did everyone meet Brenda Doss, 10 the new -- 11 MR. KING: I haven't. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Brenda's the new -- 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: New Auditor. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- new Auditor for the County. 15 MR. KING: Oh, the new Auditor. 16 MR. LIVERMORE: Hi. 17 MS. DOSS: Hi. 18 MR. WOOD: Welcome aboard. 19 MS. DOSS: Thank you. 20 MR. KING: Nice to meet you. Pleasure. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: She came in at a very quiet 22 time, right in the middle of the budget. 23 MR. LIVERMORE: Are you -- have you done this with 24 public entities in the past, I guess? 25 MS. DOSS: I was an external auditor for cities and 12 1 counties, so I have governmental experience. 2 MR. LIVERMORE: Good. 3 MS. DOSS: I'm just trying to learn all the 4 details, get through all the details. 5 MR. LIVERMORE: Welcome aboard. 6 MS. DOSS: Thank you. 7 MR. KING: Okay. If there's no other questions on 8 the financials, motion to approve? 9 MR. WALTERS: I make a motion to approve the 10 financials. 11 MR. KING: Second? 12 MR. LIVERMORE: I'll second it. 13 MR. KING: Any discussion? All in favor? 14 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 5-0.) 15 MR. KING: 5-0. All right, Item 4B. What are we 16 going to do on that? 17 MR. McKENZIE: The gentleman that had the letter of 18 interest for the Paint Hangar -- 19 MR. KING: Yep. 20 MR. McKENZIE: -- called me Thursday after this 21 agenda was posted and withdrew his letter of interest. He 22 said he's not interested in the Paint Hangar. 23 MR. LIVERMORE: Really? 24 MR. KING: Did we scare him off? 25 MR. McKENZIE: Apparently. He didn't say. He just 13 1 said, "I'm not a player." 2 MR. KING: Oh. Well, okay. 3 MR. LIVERMORE: Moving right along. 4 MR. KING: Moving right along. 5 MR. WALTERS: Is that before or after he reviewed 6 it? 7 MR. McKENZIE: He looked at the questions that we 8 asked -- 9 MR. WALTERS: Okay. 10 MR. McKENZIE: -- and decided he didn't want it. 11 MR. KING: Didn't want to answer those questions? 12 MR. McKENZIE: Didn't want to answer questions. 13 I'm not putting words in his mouth. I'm surmising that was 14 why. 15 MR. KING: Okay. 16 MR. WOOD: I think it was good that we gave him 17 those questions. Otherwise, we'd have been in a mess. 18 MR. LIVERMORE: Good point, Bill. 19 MR. KING: Okay. Those are the same questions we 20 ask any potential tenant. 21 MR. LIVERMORE: Yeah. 22 MR. KING: It's not like -- not like it was any 23 different, so the next tenant will have the same questions 24 asked. Maybe they'll answer them. Okay, Item 4C, the C.P.I. 25 I think Patrick has something on that. Do you want to talk 14 1 about that in executive session? 2 MR. O'FIEL: Yeah, probably in executive session. 3 MR. KING: Okay. Airport improvements. Kirk? 4 MR. GRIFFIN: This is kind of a general topic, but 5 it's based -- the genesis of it is from when we went to the 6 TexDOT Aviation Conference just over a month ago now. Some 7 real good presentations happened at that conference this 8 year. Based on -- and one of the main things is -- in fact, 9 it came from both TexDOT and a gentleman that has a very 10 incredible F.B.O. in Conroe, about the appearance -- the 11 street appeal of your airport, and how things affect how 12 people perceive things. And one of the things that the 13 gentleman from Conroe mentioned is one of the things they did 14 over there was they got the gate away from the front door of 15 the terminal building -- the fence, so that when you drove up 16 to the place, it looked more appealing. 17 MR. WALTERS: Inviting. 18 MR. GRIFFIN: Inviting. You know, he said one of 19 the biggest problems that they had -- and if you ever have an 20 opportunity to go look at the Conroe airport, it's 21 incredible, and the gentleman that runs this F.B.O. that they 22 put in there is also incredible. It has a covered parking 23 area for the airplanes as they come up to the front of the 24 building. I know we'll never get there, but, you know, in 25 Houston, with the deluge of rain and the deluge of heat, it 15 1 sure is great to get in your airplane when it's at least 2 somewhat cooler. You know, no air conditioning yet, but -- 3 MR. WOOD: Lone Star Executive has that same -- 4 MR. GRIFFIN: Yeah. But -- but these guys really 5 did a -- they went back and they got the numbers to -- Bruce 6 and I are trying to chase down the presentation that he made 7 to group overall over in San Marcos. And his data shows a 8 couple things. One is you make the airport more inviting; 9 the local people use it. They put in a big restaurant, and 10 they figured the only way the restaurant was going to make it 11 was if they got the locals to come eat lunch there. They've 12 got over 800 people that work in and around that airport, and 13 they're figuring that they're pulling in a large percentage 14 of that for -- for lunches. Hopefully, as Tom and Mooney 15 continue to grow, and and we get Avery and other things 16 happening out here, those kinds of things will -- could be 17 future things that we could look at, 'cause you're increasing 18 the amount of people around here in the middle of the day and 19 that kind of stuff. And they said, of course, the evening 20 traffic is -- is mostly people from the community that just 21 come in. The thought there was, you make the corner and the 22 first thing you see is our keypad and our gate, and I was 23 kind of going, "Okay, how can we -- how could we increase the 24 curb appeal of the front of our airport where people come 25 in?" And maybe we need to move that system someplace. We -- 16 1 if you guys go in your packets, Carole was nice enough to 2 print up a couple pictures. There's four pictures and a 3 little -- 4 MR. LIVERMORE: Which ones? These? 5 MR. GRIFFIN: Yes, sir. If we took that gate and 6 moved it to this location that's on this first picture, that 7 looks like this, it's the gate area between the covered 8 parking lot of Hangar 1 and the AirLIFE guys -- or life -- 9 yeah, AirLIFE. If we would move that to that location, the 10 airport is still secure, and it would open up the front of 11 our terminal building, so it would also alleviate -- maybe 12 potentially alleviate some concerns that happen late at night 13 where people come in and they get through the walk-through 14 gate and into their car, and then something happens with the 15 gate out here, and Bruce is the first one to get a call at 16 1 o'clock in the morning to say, "I can't get out of your 17 gate." So, if -- and there's probably -- you know, we now 18 have secure parking for the cars that want to be left 19 overnight, the people that want secure parking, which we 20 didn't have when we put the gate where it is. We still would 21 be locked up to the flight line. In fact, if anything, 22 locked up maybe a little bit better, because you don't have 23 people coming in to try to pick up somebody in the middle of 24 the day and making a wrong turn and ending up down on the 25 taxiway by the new T-hangars. 17 1 So, that was one thought of the gate move. The 2 other gate move, if you go to the third and fourth 3 pictures -- or actually the third picture, that's our 4 maintenance hangar, Roy's hangar -- or Roy's building out 5 there in the back. Day-to-day operations for Roy is every 6 time he leaves that building, he has to lock it up, because 7 it's outside the fence. A thought maybe would be to move the 8 gate that's over by the fuel farm to someplace along this 9 incoming road here before you get to Roy's building, and get 10 Roy's building behind the fence so that he -- on the 11 day-to-day operation, he doesn't -- may shut the doors, but, 12 I mean, he doesn't have to lock everything up secure. 13 MR. WOOD: You mean get Roy's building inside the 14 fence? 15 MR. GRIFFIN: Inside the fence. 16 MR. McKENZIE: The fence right there. 17 MR. GRIFFIN: You take this gate that's down by the 18 fuel tanks and move -- we're not losing hardware; we're just 19 kind of relocating it. There is the cost of fence, and I 20 understand that, and moving that. But in doing that as 21 well, we also would secure our fuel farm a little bit better. 22 Right now anybody can drive up and throw a rock at the fuel 23 tanks, and it would at least get it some distance away from 24 the just public access area. 25 MR. LIVERMORE: So then the gate coming -- or the 18 1 lane coming in from the back road to the terminal would just 2 be -- 3 MR. GRIFFIN: It would just be open. 4 MR. LIVERMORE: -- be open, 'cause there's other 5 gates. 6 MR. GRIFFIN: 'Cause there's other security gates 7 securing the flight lines, yeah. 8 MR. LIVERMORE: Yeah. 9 MR. GRIFFIN: Just something to start considering 10 as we look -- as we go down the road here, as -- you know, 11 trying to do things that will potentially give us a better -- 12 you know, not so foreboding and ominous. You can't go 13 through there 'cause there's a gate right there. 14 MR. WOOD: Like if we had a public restaurant here. 15 MR. GRIFFIN: Yeah, we'd want to make that easy to 16 get to. 17 MR. GRIFFIN: Get to, exactly, yeah. So, anyway, 18 just thoughts that kind of came out of the -- start thinking 19 about things to consider as we come out -- and there -- it 20 was, like I said, one of the big things that came out of the 21 TexDOT conference. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The Conroe restaurant is -- 23 like, where would the equivalent location be? 24 MR. McKENZIE: It's on the roof of their -- 25 MR. GRIFFIN: It's actually on the roof of their 19 1 F.B.O., which is totally -- they built this -- if you look at 2 Conroe, all the previous development was on the west side of 3 the airport, very kind of similar to us. All their 4 development was on one side. These guys went in with a whole 5 lot of -- granted, they had a whole lot of privately invested 6 money. 7 MR. McKENZIE: Exxon. 8 MR. GRIFFIN: And they went in and developed this 9 access to the south side of the airport, which is -- they're 10 the only thing down on the south side of the field. 11 MR. WOOD: Part of the appeal for an airport 12 restaurant would be people that would be able to eat and 13 watch airplanes come and go. 14 MR. GRIFFIN: That's what they did; they built a 15 restaurant that has a deck on the outside so you can -- you 16 know, in good weather, you can sit outside and -- you know, 17 and that kind of stuff. It ought -- the way they also built 18 the restaurant, it's at their terminal building, but it's 19 separate from the flight operations. You can't just go to 20 the restaurant and walk into the terminal. So, the people 21 that are trying to do their airport business and getting in 22 and out of there in their planes and that kind of stuff, 23 their part is separate from the restaurant piece. They share 24 a parking lot outside, but that's the extent of it. So, it's 25 kind of a -- you know, it's an incredible deal. It's called 20 1 Black -- 2 MR. WALTERS: Black Walnut. 3 MR. GRIFFIN: Black Walnut, yeah. Beautiful place, 4 my gosh. So -- but anyway, it's great. I think it's a great 5 example of what happens when you be aggressive in what you 6 do, 'cause they have brought some revenues into the airport. 7 Revenues have gone up exponentially in the last three years. 8 MR. LIVERMORE: Well, that's a really important 9 comment, I thought, because we have kind of reached a little 10 bit of a plateau in our revenue building. 11 MR. GRIFFIN: That's why I wanted to start -- you 12 know, and this is -- maybe a gate is a small step, you know, 13 to -- you know, moving the gate, getting -- getting the 14 entrance more appealing, you know, hopefully might be a small 15 step. 16 MR. LIVERMORE: Mm-hmm. 17 MR. GRIFFIN: And if we're moving gates, I kind of 18 thought about that gate over there, and helping our normal 19 operations out a little bit and securing our fuel tank a 20 little bit better than a chain across a gate that's about to 21 fall apart. So -- 22 MR. KING: So, where would you move that main gate? 23 I missed that one. 24 MR. GRIFFIN: To -- 25 MR. McKENZIE: Here, still behind Hangar 1 where 21 1 there's a gate now. 2 MR. GRIFFIN: There's a gate in there right now, 3 but it's never closed. 4 MR. WALTERS: How would you access it? 5 MR. GRIFFIN: The same way, with a keypad. 6 MR. WALTERS: No, I mean how would you drive into 7 it? 8 MR. LIVERMORE: Drive in here and turn right. 9 MR. McKENZIE: Right down the road here, turn to 10 the right. 11 MR. LIVERMORE: Go in the back gate. 12 MR. WALTERS: Oh, okay. 13 MR. LIVERMORE: Then they swing the -- somehow move 14 that gate to secure that building back there. 15 MR. GRIFFIN: Yeah. 16 MR. KING: So all these cars parked here overnight 17 would be open to the public. 18 MR. McKENZIE: They're open. 19 MR. GRIFFIN: They're open to the public. If you 20 would like secure parking, we have secure parking. 21 MR. KING: And our terminal would basically be open 22 to the public at night? 23 MR. McKENZIE: Yes. This is locked, and they 24 can't -- they don't have access to the apron. Everything's 25 locked up. 22 1 MR. KING: I understand that. 2 MR. GRIFFIN: Yeah. 3 MR. KING: I guess I'm trying to figure out what's 4 the gain? The visual look? 5 MR. GRIFFIN: It's a curb -- like I said, it's a 6 curb appeal, and it also alleviates some issues of planes 7 coming in late and people trying to get in to pick people up, 8 which has happened in the past. 9 MR. KING: Yeah. 10 MR. GRIFFIN: A plane will come in after -- 11 MR. McKENZIE: It happens a lot. 12 MR. GRIFFIN: It happens a lot, yeah. But -- 13 MR. KING: We have a sign out there that says, 14 "Call the Sheriff," right? 15 MR. McKENZIE: Yeah. Then they call me. 16 MR. LIVERMORE: You're not doing at anything at 17 1 a.m. 18 MR. McKENZIE: Nothing. (Laughter.) 19 MR. WOOD: I think those are good comments for the 20 long-term. 21 MR. GRIFFIN: Not looking for, you know, a 22 solution, but -- 23 MR. KING: No, I agree. 24 MR. GRIFFIN: -- stuff to start thinking about, 25 trying to figure out -- as alluded to, we are -- our budget 23 1 numbers are -- we're at the -- we are where we are, and we're 2 going to have to change something to increase our revenues to 3 -- to get to the zero that we all -- 4 MR. WOOD: I like the idea of an airport 5 restaurant. 6 MR. GRIFFIN: Oh, I do too. 7 MR. WOOD: Hopefully with an independent 8 businessman who finances it and does it, but -- 9 MR. KING: I wouldn't say "hopefully." With an 10 independent -- believe me, I've gone to a bazillion airports 11 in Texas. They're littered with closed-down restaurants. 12 Believe me, it's the greateat idea until it doesn't work. 13 MR. GRIFFIN: I agree with you. 14 MR. LIVERMORE: With Avery coming out here, that's 15 what, 300 people or something? This thing is really becoming 16 an office park. Mooney is growing. 17 MR. GRIFFIN: More people coming in. 18 MR. WOOD: Tom, do you have a cafeteria for your 19 people over there? 20 MR. BOWEN: We do not, no. 21 MR. LIVERMORE: There may be an opportunity. 22 MR. GRIFFIN: Now, maybe it happens on the west 23 side. Maybe that would be better on the west side, if 24 they -- 25 MR. WOOD: And then -- 24 1 MR. GRIFFIN: Mooney gets the museum built, you get 2 all those people in; you've got the employees. 3 MR. WOOD: And if Kerrville's a fly-in destination 4 like Llano with Coopers, you've got maybe fuel sales -- fuel 5 sales. 6 MR. GRIFFIN: Exactly, yeah. So -- 7 MR. LIVERMORE: Boy, Coopers would be great here, 8 wouldn't it? 9 MR. GRIFFIN: Anyway, that's it. I just kind of 10 wanted to -- most of that -- all of that came out of -- the 11 genesis of all that, as I said, was out of the TexDOT 12 conference. TexDOT's really -- our NPE funds, we don't know 13 yet what's going to happen years down the road, in the near 14 -- in the very near term. All the warnings that came out of 15 the TexDOT guys are, "Don't count on it after 2016." Which 16 is a -- would be a hickey to our budget; we kind of count on 17 that money every year. So we're -- you know, I think we may 18 have to start making up some more monies, and that's -- you 19 know, we need to start being a little, maybe, proactive in 20 how we try to go after leasing the Paint Hangar and that kind 21 of stuff. So, peace. 22 MR. LIVERMORE: Good report. 23 MR. KING: Good report. 24 MR. LIVERMORE: Good discussion. 25 MR. KING: Okay. Item 4E, the Mooney parking lot, 25 1 pavement repairs -- and pavement repairs. Bruce? 2 MR. LIVERMORE: That's what these papers are? 3 MR. GRIFFIN: That's the next group. 4 MR. McKENZIE: I don't think you've got -- I want 5 to hand this out as well. We measured this Friday morning, 6 and it has square yardage on it. You guys have one? Charlie 7 and I were out there two different days last week between the 8 monsoon rains, and we measured this. We now have a very 9 preliminary game plan. The parking lot is what we need to 10 address first, as well as both ends of the service center. 11 Tom, if I'm saying something that's not right, tell me. 12 MR. BOWEN: Perfect. 13 MR. McKENZIE: We need to get this parking lot 14 paved, gentlemen, and the way to do that, and Charlie and I 15 have both agreed on this, is with a two-course surface 16 treatment. We do not need to put hot mix on that. 17 MR. KING: Which parking lot? 18 MR. GRIFFIN: The paved -- the employee parking 19 lot -- I'm sorry, Patrick. 20 MR. LIVERMORE: Doesn't look too paved. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Pothole parking lot. 22 MR. McKENZIE: The pothole parking lot. And that 23 is going to be, we think, the best way to do that. 24 Obviously, the best way to do it is a two-course surface 25 treatment; that's two shots of rock. The two -- the other 26 1 areas that you see on either end of the service center and 2 then the taxiways, they taxi aircraft in those areas, and 3 that needs to be hot mix. 4 MR. LIVERMORE: They taxi aircraft here? 5 MR. GRIFFIN: No. In this picture -- 6 MR. McKENZIE: Next to the service center. 7 MR. GRIFFIN: Right here. 8 MR. LIVERMORE: Oh. 9 MR. WOOD: The 950? 10 MR. McKENZIE: Square yards, yes, sir. 11 MR. WOOD: And the -- 12 MR. McKENZIE: Is everybody with me here on both 13 ends? 14 MR. WOOD: -- the 525. 15 MR. WALTERS: Can I ask a question? Why aren't 16 they just taxiing out there on -- where it looks like the 17 better asphalt? 18 MR. McKENZIE: Well, they are sometimes. I don't 19 know. I'm just -- this road needs -- if we're going to do 20 it, it's not a road; it's a taxiway. If they would agree to 21 that, then we could leave that 950 square yards out, if they 22 could come out the gate and then in this other gate here, but 23 you're going through two gates. 24 MR. WALTERS: I'm sorry. So that's a gate right 25 there? 27 1 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. There's two gates. 2 MR. WALTERS: Okay, I see. 3 MR. McKENZIE: It makes it a little cumbersome to 4 -- certainly, they can do it, but they're inside their own 5 campus if they stay inside. 6 MR. WALTERS: Yeah, I see that. 7 MR. WOOD: What is the purpose of that right there? 8 MR. McKENZIE: This? 9 MR. WOOD: Was that for Mooney to begin with? 10 MR. McKENZIE: That was for Mooney to begin with. 11 We did this big job five years ago. 12 MR. WOOD: Didn't they design their fence -- 13 MR. McKENZIE: That was the way the engineers 14 designed it. They -- 15 MR. LIVERMORE: Maybe it would be less money to put 16 it inside the fence. 17 MR. WOOD: That's a good question. 18 MR. McKENZIE: Nevertheless, that -- this is going 19 to need hot mix, everything on the bottom of the page. 20 Everything on the top of the page we can do with a two-course 21 penetration. The bottom of the page where the asphalt is -- 22 well, first of all, we would like to do it different this 23 time. We'd like for the City to do the dirt work on the 24 employee parking lot. They've got a blade. They've got the 25 equipment to do that. The County has the chip spreader. 28 1 The City does not have a chip spreader, so the County could 2 pave this for us. I've talked to Leonard Odom out here 3 Friday, and Charlie, and they've agreed if the City will 4 prepare this, they'll pave it. We'll just do it opposite of 5 the way we did it on the T-hangars where the County moved all 6 the dirt. 7 MR. WALTERS: Is this the original parking lot? 8 MR. McKENZIE: Mm-hmm. 9 MR. WALTERS: And this -- 10 MR. McKENZIE: This is. 11 MR. WALTERS: And was this just part of Mooney's 12 deferred maintenance plan, that it went from a paved parking 13 lot to just, you know, -- 14 MR. McKENZIE: No, I don't know that it was ever -- 15 MR. WALTERS: -- gravel? 16 MR. McKENZIE: I don't think it was ever paved, not 17 since I've been here. I've never seen it. 18 MR. WALTERS: Where were people parking before? 19 They've always parked there? 20 MR. McKENZIE: It's always been caliche, yes, sir. 21 MR. KING: I don't think it's ever been paved. 22 MR. McKENZIE: I've seen it for 31 years; I've 23 never seen it paved. 24 MR. KING: This part over here, the part to the 25 right of the parking lot, that was paved and there was 29 1 parking there. 2 MR. McKENZIE: Yeah. 3 MR. KING: A lot of people parked in there. This 4 right there, that's an old parking lot right there. 5 MR. GRIFFIN: And that's on our -- 6 MR. McKENZIE: That's our -- 7 MR. LIVERMORE: Is that the 8,300 square yards? 8 MR. KING: No, that's where the sign is. Where the 9 8,300 sign is. 10 MR. GRIFFIN: Yeah. 11 MR. KING: That's an old parking lot that a lot of 12 people -- isn't that right, Tom? A lot of people parked 13 there when they had the offices. 14 MR. McKENZIE: Engineering building. 15 MR. KING: Building 17. 16 MR. BOWEN: That's correct, right. 17 MR. KING: Offices in 17. A lot of people parked 18 in there. There's probably parking for 50 to 75 cars in 19 there -- 20 MR. GRIFFIN: Yes. 21 MR. KING: -- in that parking lot, and -- and so a 22 lot of them did park there. That is paved, or was paved. 23 MR. GRIFFIN: It's broken up, but it could be 24 salvaged. 25 MR. KING: It's kind of grass now. 30 1 MR. GRIFFIN: Yeah. I'd like to -- kind of like to 2 see us maybe utilize that area, and it would change -- we'd 3 have to change some of the fence lines. But if we could 4 utilize that parking lot, I think that would be a -- a great 5 basis to start with. 6 MR. WOOD: Utilize that parking lot for Mooney, 7 you're talking about? 8 MR. GRIFFIN: Yeah. 9 MR. LIVERMORE: This over here is where the -- this 10 is right there. 11 MR. GRIFFIN: That's where this is, yes, sir. The 12 parking lot with the cars and the water, the picture with the 13 cars in the water. And as we discussed this, would there 14 be -- yeah, that's -- that's kind of what I was -- and then 15 this -- this road that heads over to Al Mooney Road, we don't 16 necessarily need to pave that, right? 'Cause it's just 17 basically a trail that they decided to cut across Al Mooney 18 Road. 19 MR. McKENZIE: Tell me where you're talking about. 20 MR. GRIFFIN: This that comes off to the west of 21 that. 22 MR. McKENZIE: Yeah, we need to pave that. That's 23 how they're going to access -- 24 MR. GRIFFIN: Why? You got access off of Peterson 25 Farm Road. 31 1 MR. WALTERS: Yeah. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Are there very many people 3 that use that? 4 MR. WOOD: It's just a shortcut. 5 MR. McKENZIE: It's a shortcut, but it's one they 6 use every day. 7 MR. GRIFFIN: I know it, but if it's paved -- 8 MR. McKENZIE: That's a decision -- 9 MR. GRIFFIN: That's what I'm saying. If we pave 10 the large area up here -- 11 MR. McKENZIE: We looked at it to use exactly like 12 we -- like they're using it. 13 MR. GRIFFIN: Well, I understand. I'm just saying 14 it would save us that much work, and maintenance too, just to 15 access it off of Peterson Farm. 16 MR. McKENZIE: Certainly. 17 MR. BOWEN: Keep in mind also, we have 140 18 employees. 19 MR. GRIFFIN: Right. No. 20 MR. BOWEN: And we're going up to about 175 next 21 year. And -- 22 MR. LIVERMORE: Good grief. 23 MR. GRIFFIN: Yeah, we need that area paved, I 24 agree. 25 MR. McKENZIE: I went over there two days last week 32 1 and I counted 105 vehicles both days, consistently. In the 2 afternoon about 2:30, there was 105 cars parked out there. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think probably you have to 4 talk with the City and the County about access to Peterson 5 Farm. Because of the school down there, they may want to get 6 more of the traffic -- figure out how to keep it on Al 7 Mooney. 8 MR. GRIFFIN: Well, but it T's right there. 9 MR. KING: I agree with Jonathan. They're most 10 likely -- if they come out there, they're probably going to 11 go straight and not come back to the left. Whereas the 12 reason they're coming in on this other way is they're coming 13 in off of 27 -- 27 and cutting over through the other edge 14 over there. And this would encourage them to go the other 15 direction, and -- 16 MR. WOOD: As far as roads, doesn't the City and 17 County need to be the ones to make those decisions? 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, it's a public road; you 19 can't shut it down. 20 MR. WALTERS: I don't think it's a public road 21 here. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, I'm talking -- I'm talking 23 about Peterson Farm Road, and that's the shortest -- a lot of 24 people come from the city. If that's the shortest distance 25 to Mooney, they're going to keep coming that way. They pour 33 1 out of that -- 2 MR. McKENZIE: Al Mooney Road is a city street. 3 Peterson Farm Road right here where the little bridge is, 4 that's where the line of demarcation is; that becomes a 5 county road. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. I'm just talking about 7 the traffic. People are going to go the shortest distance. 8 From the city, it's down Peterson Farm Road, if you put the 9 other one in. 10 MR. LIVERMORE: People come from the back. 11 Peterson Farm, from what Kirk tells me, is back here 12 somewhere. 13 MR. GRIFFIN: It's right here. This is Peterson 14 Farm Road. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Where the caution light is 16 when you come this way. 17 MR. LIVERMORE: Oh, okay. 18 MR. GRIFFIN: It comes out right there. 19 MR. LIVERMORE: I got you, okay. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's a straight shot from the 21 caution light to the Mooney facility. 22 MR. WALTERS: Where is the location for the 23 proposed Mooney museum? 24 MR. McKENZIE: That 8,300 square yard sign. 25 MR. GRIFFIN: Well, Building 18. Right, Tom? 34 1 MR. BOWEN: Well, it's the horseshoe building. 2 MR. WALTERS: Okay, got it. 3 MR. BOWEN: After we demolish 17. 4 MR. GRIFFIN: So -- right, so the traffic's going 5 to come in off of Peterson anyway for that. 6 MR. WALTERS: I was just looking at if we do the 7 repaving, and I don't know if it's enough area. That parking 8 lot that used to be -- 9 MR. GRIFFIN: The engineering. 10 MR. WALTERS: The engineering. That seems like 11 that would be a little more closely related to your future 12 museum. 13 MR. WOOD: You're going to need parking for that. 14 MR. GRIFFIN: If we opened up that parking lot, we 15 could start parking the current employees there. Then as 16 time developed, when the museum happens, take the employees 17 off of there and start utilizing it for that. But I was kind 18 of thinking about utilizing that parking that is already 19 paved. If we could get some of the employees off and get 20 them into that area, and then retro the existing caliche 21 parking lot, it would take the pressure off getting it done 22 right today. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Getting it done today -- the 24 sealcoat part is probably next summer. 25 MR. McKENZIE: Leonard told me that -- and I talked 35 1 to your other gentleman that was out there. He said if we -- 2 if we advanced this in a timely fashion, they could do it 3 early October. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Early October? Because with 5 budget -- with budget numbers, and the City's -- I'm not 6 going to speak for the City, but my understanding is that 7 they're pretty, with the rain, behind on a lot of their 8 roads. We're behind on roads, so it's -- it's going to be a 9 major feat to get it -- 10 MR. McKENZIE: That's true. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- done this year. 12 MR. GRIFFIN: Yeah. Well, and that's why opening 13 up that existing parking lot solves the -- solves the -- it's 14 a short-term solution to a long-term problem. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But I think the -- the 16 important -- and I talked -- spent quite a bit of time with 17 Charlie on this. The important thing is, if y'all want to go 18 forward with something right here, you do not have to pick 19 the exact location. It needs to go to the County and the 20 City to authorize it. 21 MR. McKENZIE: Oh, yeah. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That way -- and then things can 23 start working. It will take us -- it will be -- if you said, 24 "Yes, we want to go," it will be middle of -- end of June 25 before you get a "yes." 36 1 MR. GRIFFIN: Oh, yeah, I understand. 2 MR. WALTERS: I haven't looked at the condition of 3 that parking lot there, but if it's already breaking up and 4 got huge alligatoring and whatnot, I mean, you're probably 5 not going to be able to use that just with an overlay. 6 You're going to have to pull it all up anyway. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Pull it up with the machine. 8 MR. McKENZIE: Have the zipper zip it. 9 MR. GRIFFIN: It gets you off of the mud right now. 10 That's where I'm kind of going with this. It would at 11 least -- yes, at some point that parking lot would have to be 12 retro'd. 13 MR. McKENZIE: The other determining factor is 14 going to be the -- we say the Airport Board would buy the 15 materials for this. The City and the County would furnish 16 the manpower and the equipment, and we would furnish the base 17 material, the three-eighths and five-eighths and the 18 two-course penetration and the hot mix for the hot mix part. 19 MR. WALTERS: Question. What's the estimated cost? 20 MR. McKENZIE: We just got these numbers Friday 21 after lunch. We're working on that to see what that's going 22 to cost us to -- 23 MR. KING: Is that 950 on this little road, that 24 950 feet, is that hot mix? 25 MR. McKENZIE: Square yards. Yes, that's hot mix. 37 1 MR. WALTERS: Was that 950 square yards -- was that 2 little road originally planned just for trucks, or was it 3 always planned for a -- 4 MR. McKENZIE: I'll tell you why we built that, 5 Corey, and when we built it. When we started this big 6 project six years ago, when we started working on this side 7 of the airport, we had Mooney isolated, so we went in there, 8 and in about a week, built that taxiway to get -- give those 9 folks access to move around. That was a quick fix when we 10 put that hot mix in, so that's what -- and that's not but 11 about six years old, maybe seven at the most. 12 MR. GRIFFIN: So if we could -- we could alleviate 13 the 950 and the 525 -- 14 MR. WALTERS: Moved the gate. 15 MR. GRIFFIN: -- and we convince our partners over 16 at Mooney to open the gate during their operating hours and 17 use our taxiway that we provided them in the project five 18 years ago -- five and a half years ago -- 19 MR. McKENZIE: They're opening the gates every 20 morning, but -- 21 MR. BOWEN: The one thing I need to point out is 22 that airplanes coming out of the main assembly building there 23 are towed with a tractor. And being able to do it on an 24 internal road, and not have to go onto the runway 25 environment -- in other words, come out by the sales hangar 38 1 there, enter the runway, even though it's only 100 yards. 2 MR. KING: Yeah, I understand. 3 MR. BOWEN: When you're towing an airplane on a 4 tractor, you're probably not as safe. 5 MR. GRIFFIN: Well, Tom, where I'm going, I'm 6 almost wondering if we did -- as opposed to redoing the quick 7 and dirty road that they did six years ago, if we extend that 8 taxiway that was built six years ago with the runway redo 9 just up to the -- to the taxiway that runs into 03/21 there 10 at your sales building, if we extended that versus redoing 11 this smaller one that was a quick and dirty, that fits into 12 our -- our grand scheme of having a parallel taxiway on the 13 other side anyway. I'm just thinking out loud here. It -- I 14 think it would almost -- as opposed to redoing a little road 15 that was a quick and dirty, I wonder if we built a taxiway 16 continuation -- 17 MR. BOWEN: Yeah. 18 MR. GRIFFIN: -- on the end of your service center 19 up to your sales building taxiway -- but that doesn't resolve 20 the issue that you just brought up. I don't know. 21 MR. BOWEN: That would be -- 22 MR. KING: Did you explain to me when we were out 23 there last week, Tom, you take them from the production and 24 you take them around past the sales, and then they have to 25 get over to the east end of the -- the big hangar, east end 39 1 of the big hangar where those two Apaches are, about 1,000 2 square yards. That's where they go; they don't actually go 3 back around to the completion side, right? 4 MR. BOWEN: Correct. 5 MR. KING: They don't use that little road. 6 MR. BOWEN: The far southwest side is our service 7 center. 8 MR. KING: Right, and the airplanes taxi in off of 9 the runway and taxi into that. 10 MR. BOWEN: Correct. They're in and out, yes. 11 MR. KING: So what I'm saying is the 950, I think, 12 is pretty -- that thing probably is not as high a priority. 13 That 950 is not as high a priority as what -- because they're 14 not really taking airplanes from that end of the hangar to 15 the other end of the hangar. One end of hangar is 16 completion, and the other end of the hangar is service 17 center, so the service center and the completion don't mix. 18 They don't get mixed up. So I think what Kirk's talking 19 about, you can -- instead of making that little-bitty road 20 there, just extend that taxiway up to the concrete area, and 21 that gate stays open. When I've seen that gate, that gate 22 stays open most of the time, doesn't it? 23 MR. BOWEN: Yeah. 24 MR. KING: During the day it stays open, anyway. 25 So -- okay. So we could probably eliminate that little thing 40 1 here, this little deal. 2 MR. BOWEN: We have three gates now. It will be a 3 total of three gates. Perfect. 4 MR. GRIFFIN: Right. 5 MR. KING: Then you can take this taxiway here. 6 MR. GRIFFIN: Yeah. 7 MR. KING: Get rid of that. 8 MR. GRIFFIN: That's what I was kind of thinking. 9 MR. LIVERMORE: Tom, after this meeting, Kirk's 10 going to take me over; I want to see the terrain a little 11 bit. 12 MR. BOWEN: Okay. 13 MR. LIVERMORE: So if you see two people wandering 14 around -- 15 MR. BOWEN: Tony only has one bullet, so... 16 (Laughter.) 17 MR. KING: So what would be the problem, Tom, 18 with -- maybe on the employee parking lot, blading that thing 19 and getting it where it's more usable than it is right now? 20 And then putting our effort into fixing those two spots 21 between the hangars and at the end of the hangar as soon as 22 possible, because those are -- when I was over there with 23 you, that's a real pain in the butt, 'cause they cannot taxi 24 -- they cannot -- when they fly an airplane in after a test 25 flight, they basically have to shut it down and then let it 41 1 roll all the way to the -- roll it as far as they can, and 2 then pull it around through that middle -- that middle area 3 there, because it's in pretty bad shape. You really couldn't 4 taxi an airplane across it. I mean, especially if Jonathan's 5 talking about us -- you know, I mean, I guess we could -- we 6 could look forward to maybe getting that big parking lot 7 chip-sealed and -- coated and chip-sealed. But if not, at 8 least getting it -- getting the thing graded. 9 MR. BOWEN: It would all help, and we'd be grateful 10 for any of it. Just blading it, releveling it, putting a 11 little road base down -- 12 MR. GRIFFIN: Put some base in, yeah. 13 MR. BOWEN: -- would be amazing. 14 MR. GRIFFIN: Yeah, and it wouldn't be very costly 15 or very time-consuming. 16 MR. McKENZIE: That's a quick fix. 17 MR. GRIFFIN: I agree. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That would make the employees 19 feel a lot better. 20 MR. McKENZIE: Very cost-effective as well. 21 MR. KING: Okay. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So when you present that, 23 Bruce, that's what you ought to do, is step one, step two. 24 MR. KING: Right. Okay. Any other questions? 25 MR. GRIFFIN: Thanks. 42 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Bruce, just for my knowledge, 2 the first meeting in June, are you gong to present this? 3 Or -- 4 MR. McKENZIE: I can. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The sooner we get it moving, 6 because -- both with the hot mix and all that work. 7 MR. McKENZIE: If we're going -- I'm sorry, go 8 ahead. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: All that work, and I understand 10 you have, what, 20,000 or so in some RAMP funds available? 11 MR. McKENZIE: I do, but I've got some seals on 12 that Brinkman hangar that are 34 years old, all around the 13 doors, vertical and horizontal. I've got to replace all of 14 them. I'm waiting for the proposal on that. As soon as I 15 see what that is, I'll see what monies I have left. That 16 will expire -- actually, I need to get it done by 17 1 September. That's why I'm saying if we're going to do it, 18 the way Steve recommended is a great idea, is let's don't 19 worry about the chip seal. Let's just do what Tom asked; fix 20 the parking lot, and let's just do the hot mix down here on 21 this end. That -- that's one way to do it. We could get it 22 quicker. 23 MR. WOOD: How do we handle all of this 24 budget-wise? 25 MR. McKENZIE: We're going to pay for the materials 43 1 out of the RAMP funding if we have enough left this year. 2 And as soon as I get the numbers run, the calculations on 3 what the quantities are, I can tell you what that's going to 4 cost -- 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You might check with -- 6 MR. McKENZIE: -- for the hot mix. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- Charlie and Leonard and the 8 City as to what material -- if you're running short of funds, 9 what material we have in stock that may help. 10 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We've dug out a lot of base 12 from a lot of different projects. TexDOT has millings, I 13 know. Now, I know they don't like millings, but -- 14 MR. McKENZIE: I built a parking lot back here with 15 millings about 10 years ago. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: TexDOT always has piles of that 17 stuff. 18 MR. KING: Right. Right, okay. All right. So, 19 you need us to bring that to -- the mayor was here earlier. 20 He left. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: He left. 22 MR. KING: Okay. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Bring to it both. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just to get it authorized for 25 them going forward. 44 1 MR. KING: Okay. Bring that to both of you guys, 2 okay. All right. 3 MR. GRIFFIN: You might not have the real -- all 4 the good numbers yet, but at least expose it. Is that -- 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 6 MR. BOWEN: Just as a number to use in the future, 7 when we did this study with Peter Lewis on the museum as a 8 public -- as a public/private facility, the calculation was 9 for 120 required parking places. 10 MR. GRIFFIN: Okay. So we're a little short on 11 that existing parking lot. 12 MR. BOWEN: Just for the museum. So he said there 13 are ways to kind of buy us that number towards the bottom 14 end. But if you just use the formula, it's 120 parking 15 places. 16 MR. KING: Okay. All right. Anybody else have 17 anything on this? 18 MR. WALTERS: What is your timing on the museum? 19 MR. BOWEN: We're due to really get after it the 20 fourth quarter through next year. Jerry wants -- Jerry wants 21 to have an opening next year sometime. 22 MR. GRIFFIN: Okay. 23 MR. WALTERS: And what's the -- so, "fourth 24 quarter" meaning that would be -- have you signed a contract 25 for Peter Lewis to design it? Or has Peter or any architect 45 1 designed it yet? 2 MR. BOWEN: Peter's engaged. We don't have a 3 complete description of work from Peter yet, but that's -- 4 MR. WALTERS: Okay. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Bruce, when you bring that 6 forward, bring the museum into it too as part of the big 7 picture. 8 MR. McKENZIE: Yes. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That'll make a big difference. 10 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 11 MR. KING: Okay. Anybody else? 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: A visual of what you have. 13 MR. McKENZIE: I've got it, mm-hmm. 14 MR. KING: All right. 15 MR. WALTERS: I think one more thing on the museum. 16 I think, yeah, it's a good idea to kind of -- Bruce described 17 the master plan of everything. Obviously, when we see 18 materials going up and we have a completion date for the 19 museum, we can easily accommodate the timing for the opening 20 of additional parking for the museum, so y'all would be way 21 ahead of us. 22 MR. KING: Okay. Anything else? General update? 23 MR. McKENZIE: Several items. And I'd like Trey 24 Hughes -- if you can give us an update on the MAPA fly-in 25 that we just had, that would be great. 46 1 MR. HUGHES: Well, we had our 40th annual fly-in. 2 In spite of the weather, very successful. We had -- between 3 the closed runway parking area and the various open hangars, 4 we had about 30 airplanes. We had 100 registered attendees. 5 We had 130 at the banquet -- don't ask me. We had 130 at the 6 banquet Saturday night. A large percentage of our guests, 7 either because of the weather, came commercial and drove up 8 from San Antonio. We had one person drive from California, 9 and a couple others drive from Massachusetts and Virginia. 10 So -- 11 MR. LIVERMORE: Wow. 12 MR. HUGHES: -- people -- people, they -- if you 13 have it, they come. We had 22 exhibitors. We had a day and 14 a half of -- a straight day and a half of seminars. We had a 15 very successful convention this year, in spite of the 16 drought-busting rain. 17 MR. WOOD: I talked to two guys at dinner over at 18 Comanche Trace. One had flown from Cape Cod; the other one 19 had flown from Florida to Houston and rented a car. 20 MR. HUGHES: Some people we knew ahead of time; we 21 had reservations, and some people let us know ahead of time. 22 They just weren't flying in; they were coming by other means. 23 We had some people get -- we had a couple of airplanes parked 24 at Junction, one parked at -- I don't know how he parked at 25 Llano and not here, but we had people get close and then 47 1 drive as well. 2 MR. BOWEN: At the factory, we gave tours to 3 approximately 90 to 95 attendees, walked through the factory 4 Saturday afternoon. 5 MR. McKENZIE: That's great, thank you. The next 6 item is the -- it's old news now, but the City and the County 7 both approved the airport budget. We had over 6 inches of 8 rain out here. I don't know how much more; the gauge was 9 full, so we had in excess of that over the last week. 10 MR. LIVERMORE: Six inches? 11 MR. McKENZIE: Over. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's what I had in mine. 13 MR. McKENZIE: I told you about the Brinkman doors. 14 We're going to have to reseal those. 15 MR. KING: That's the rubber seals? 16 MR. McKENZIE: Rubber seals between all the doors 17 and across the top. I had Alamo Door check them last week. 18 A couple of pieces of metal had fallen from the doors, and I 19 had them check everything. And we've got that metal secured, 20 but the -- they're 34 years old. They've outlasted their 21 usefulness; we need to repair them. 22 MR. LIVERMORE: On the seal problem, we are still 23 having leakage under the doors. 24 MR. McKENZIE: And I'm glad you brought that up. 25 MR. LIVERMORE: Not only my unit. 48 1 MR. McKENZIE: We took the worst that we had, which 2 was Mike Pierce's hangar. He has a Mooney. 3 MR. LIVERMORE: Is that across from me? 4 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. The contractor and I 5 worked out here about a half a day, and we resolved the 6 problem and figured out how to fix it. 7 MR. LIVERMORE: Good. 8 MR. McKENZIE: We went to Walmart and bought those 9 swimming pool noodles, and we slid them through the rubber 10 gasket in the doors, and they're so tight now, you can't -- 11 nothing -- he said he got no water this week in the rain. 12 So, we're going to noodle all the doors. 13 MR. LIVERMORE: Did you do that -- so that was an 14 experiment? 15 MR. McKENZIE: That was an experiment. As soon as 16 he comes back down here, we'll help him, and we'll -- 17 MR. LIVERMORE: Noodle. 18 MR. McKENZIE: That was the best. It was -- 19 MS. DUNGAN: Very cost-effective. 20 MR. McKENZIE: Tremendous low-cost engineering. 21 MR. HUGHES: Can you pick your color? (Laughter.) 22 MR. McKENZIE: We have all kind of colors. That's 23 good. And I just want the board to know, the new 24 T-hangars -- you probably noticed the grass around those new 25 T-hangars is nigh deep, and I'm not cutting that, by design. 49 1 That's on purpose. I want that to seed. I want the 2 indigenous grasses to grow, as well as the Bermuda that we 3 planted. I'm not ignoring that; I'm just letting it go. I 4 want it to head out, seed, all that. 5 MR. LIVERMORE: I figured that's what you were 6 doing. 7 MR. McKENZIE: And I know it looks bad, but we need 8 to get that covered up, and it's doing great. 9 MR. LIVERMORE: It's healthy. 10 MR. McKENZIE: As long as you guys know what's 11 going on. The AWAS went down yesterday about 1 o'clock; I 12 worked on it yesterday afternoon. I can't get technical 13 support -- or I couldn't till this morning. I've been here, 14 so as soon as I get out of here, we'll start working on the 15 AWAS. It went down yesterday totally. That's my update. 16 MR. KING: Okay. Anybody else? All right, that's 17 it. I guess we'll go into executive session and talk about 18 Item 4C. 19 MR. McKENZIE: Mm-hmm. 20 MR. KING: See what Mr. O'Fiel has to say, and then 21 we'll come back out and report on that. All right, we'll go 22 into recess. It's 24 after -- 23 after. 23 (Discussion off the record.) 24 (The open session was closed at 9:27 a.m., and an executive session was held off the record.) 25 - - - - - - - - - - 50 1 MR. KING: All right, we'll go back into regular 2 session at 18 after 10 o'clock, and on Item 4C, we took no 3 action. And could I get a motion to adjourn? 4 MR. LIVERMORE: So moved. 5 MR. WALTERS: Second. 6 MR. KING: Second by Mr. Walters. All in favor? 7 (The motion carried unanimously, 5-0.) 8 MR. KING: 5-0. You're out of here. 9 (Airport Board meeting adjourned at 10:18 a.m.) 10 - - - - - - - - - - 11 12 STATE OF TEXAS | 13 COUNTY OF KERR | 14 I, Kathy Banik, official reporter for Kerr County, 15 Texas, do hereby certify that the above and foregoing is a 16 true and complete transcription of my stenotype notes taken 17 at the time and place heretofore set forth. 18 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 20th day of May, 2015. 19 20 _______________________________ Kathy Banik, Texas CSR # 6483 21 Expiration Date: 12/31/16 Official Court Reporter 22 Kerr County, Texas 700 Main Street 23 Kerrville, Texas 78028 Phone: 830-792-2295 24 25